And this is why the comparison doesn't make sense. Without them I could never have survived what you just witnessed." Better to end it now.". It sounded like the moan of a long-dead god rising from the grave; a hundred mechanized limbs sprang to action with an angry hum as the monsters swarmed over him. This was about halfway through the line and would've knocked the power growth of the Sith back a step. The cunning Grand Master Jedi takes on the brooding brute of a Sith Lord. When two figures whose physical abilities are equal, generally it is their connection to the Force or the strength of their force abilities that will make the difference to determine a victor. Granted, Maul is a better duelist then Zannah and his style is much more aggressive, I still say Bane could find some space to use his Force techniques. He channeled it through his muscles and limbs, moving so fast it seemed as if time had stopped for the rest of the world. All right, but that does nothing to diminish my point. Zannah was thrown back ten, Bane was just thrown to the floor since he was directly in front of wall. He'd drawn the knife across his chest in a long, straight line, feeling the agony of the blade slicing deep enough to cut through skin and muscle. And frankly, dismissing Maul's advantages because of a lack of showings on Bane's part is hardly an acceptable refutation. Then, he still has his lightning cocoon which would throw both him and Maul backward, giving him some distance. Bane TK feats surpasses Maul and he a very adroit user of Force Lighting (though the latter can be negated via Maul's lightsaber). Also, are you gonna post up your list of Bane's feats? With mounting frustration he continued his search, winding his way through the passages until he reached an apparently insignificant chamber, almost buried at the very heart of the temple. As the first fat drops splattered onto the patio stones around him, Bane exploded into action. Evading him would not only be hard for Bane, but he also would be required to ensure that his defensive maneuvers suffice to parry Maul's blows. Bane himself highlighted to Zannah that an apprentice needs to prove herself superior to her master by beating him in combat or by out-witting them or proving themselves superior in any way that leads to their demise. Instead he let the tantalizing closeness of Sirak’s defeat feed his appetite for vengeance. Okay. Sorry for the wait, but I can be lazy at times. With the show over, I'm not really sure what Maul would be doing. His skin was sheened in sweat, but not a single drop of rain had touched his bare flesh. So the comparison is a bit loose. That is a completely unquantifiable claim. There was something fighting his power, resisting him. Both Kaan and Qordis were there waiting for him. When Bane was elucidating to Zannah a few of the divisions in technique with the dark side, he described those with "raw elemental power." Telekinetic outbursts and Lightning are part of his MO. Granted you have stated before that Bane has never used his powers while crossing simultaneously, but it's possible for Bane to retreat if (more like when) Maul get's the upper-hand in the duel to then rely on his Force abilities. The three beasts intertwined with one another, becoming a single, screaming mass of flesh, claws, and teeth hurtling toward the ground below. I don't like how he makes note of so many Force techniques and so forth but hasn't even demonstrated them in the slightest. I don't know. Additionally, Bane survived that encounter due to his intimate knowledge of Zannah's combat technique and due to keeping Zannah off-balance by exploiting his Force reserves, and Bane has a propensity for finding it difficult to conjure Force powers while concurrently crossing blades with an enemy. He fought defensively in that fight because of the circumstances he was trapped in, being unarmed against Zannah whose intent was to kill him. But not a lot of real battlefield experience. For that reason, lightsaber combat has always been a more relevant issue when discussing most characters and here, notably Bane. However, in Bane's unarmed fight with Zannah, even when Bane succeeded in distancing himself from Zannah, he never defeated her through a Force attack; he fled. That quote from DoE also overlooks context. However, we'll discuss TCW Maul a little later. Uhmm no. Sometimes I have some strange tendency to talk a pile of junk off my throat. I had to edit my post, because when I posted it everything went blank. Just so as to concretely establish some of the comments I posted pertaining to Bane's feats, allow me to quote the novels to solidify the conditions of Bane's context-sensitive showings. Level Seven. You have already covered the rest so I'm not going to do a side by side comparison (the only reason i did this one is because Nova said Bane's rain deflecting feat could surpass Maul's feat, which, I disagree with. The relationship, he had finally realized, was symbiotic—as long as he could endure the constant searing pain of the alien fluids being absorbed and metabolized in his bloodstream. Bane brandishing his lightsaber fast enough to leave blurring trails that cover him like a shield is good, but Maul has replicated that feat verbatim. Maul has a wider skill advantage than Bane does a power advantage. He gasped faintly as he spoke, though whether from pain or the recent exertion of using the Force—or possibly both—she couldn't tell. If Maul struck through the cocoon with his lightsaber and was hurtled backward away from Bane, in the manner Zannah was, even granting that Bane would attempt that trick again (which I still have doubts about due to the portrayed irregularity of its use), Maul would not be stupid enough to blindly slash through it a second time. True, but the reverse has also occurred. Encased in a suit of living armor that augmented his powers and protected him from virtually all known weapons, he was nearly invincible. Well, if I'm nitpicking, Bane actually said that Drain is nearly impossible to apply in a duel, but I digress with that point, seeing as I have already addressed the fact that Bane's only feat with Drain required him sustaining his powers with outside support. To be honest, I was glad when TCW Maul was begging for mercy. Then again, you could ask me why I even spoke of it in the first place. Bane leapt down from his mount, all his attention focused on the structure towering before him. Darth Bane vs Darth Malgus. They were more or less even in raw lightsaber combat. One of the drexl's feet lunged forward to impale him with its enormous claws, only to be deflected by the impenetrable orbalisk carapace on his chest. It splintered under the impact and Sirak screamed as a shard of gleaming white bone sliced through muscle, sinew, and finally skin. Weapons already drawn, they opened fire. Standard gear, No Orbalisk armor for Bane. Armed? ―Darth Malgus. Bane has a plethora of showings where he does not internalize an external source of power. @hyperlight: Well, thanks, but I really just wanted to build a case opposing the general consensus, mostly just because of a lack of substantial reasoning from the Bane supporters. As a child, Veradun tended to the creature… For even though its riders had been slain, the second drexl was still alive. And then, as suddenly as it had begun, the tempest was gone, the dark cloud scurrying away on the breeze. Muscles tense and coiled in anticipation, he fed the spark, fueling it with his own passion, letting his anger and fury transform the flame into an inferno waiting to be unleashed. It was possible no one had found this room, hidden at the end of the twisting maze of passages. "They are called orbalisks," Bane said, offering an explanation rather than a greeting. Since this is mostly a post conveying a point of refutation, I'll post some feats that Bane can accomplish under normal circumstances a little later. Additionally, Bane has equal or better Speed and Force feats than Maul, and in terms of skill, I consider his performance against Tas’im slightly better than losing to an elderly Jinn and vastly pre-prime Kenobi. Born in 1026 BBY, he was raised as a … As it was, he simply let the corpse fall to the ground then wandered into Kaan’s tent and the communications equipment inside. Most physical characteristics more favor Maul than Bane, and fighting skill certainly passes to Maul. Bane had tried the Force next, probing deep inside to better understand what was happening to him. "How do you get them off?" Bane rose to his feet in the center of the carnage. Bane composed the cocoon right as Zannah was lunging at him from a meter or so away. Feats for Bane. Bane had the orbalisks at the time; the orbalisks tremendously amplify his powers. Overcome with emotion, she stepped forward to embrace her Master...only to recoil when she saw the alien growth protruding from his chest. The reason I went to exhaustive lengths to analyze the showings where he does is because people typically reference those showings in these threads on account of them being Bane's most impressive feats, and I wanted to circumvent the contextomy and just discuss valid feats instead. As a child, Veradun tended to the creatures in the menagerie, feeding the animals and cleaning their cages. Bane considered before replying. Really, have you noticed how it is that Bane exhibited Force attacks during his duel with Zannah on Ambria fewer times than he did against her when he was unarmed? Bane equipping himself with the energies of the tempe does not lend itself to application apart from that setting. Maybe I'm reading into it what isn't there, but it just seems quicker to TK an enemy than to adopt the cocoon approach. Zannah is neither as skilled nor as aggressive as Maul, as you pointed out. As they dropped from the sky, spiraling down faster and faster, she watched them, waiting for one to break free and mount back up to the heavens. Was there supposed to be a question mark there? In the very center stood the Rakatan Temple. Bane deflecting torrents of rain is impressive, but so is Maul deflecting fire from a small army of droids and proceeding to carve up all of them, as well as on other occasions perceiving time in slow motion to "move between the moments." But the others surged forward like a wave, driving him under. © 2021 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. Instead of being skewered and carried away, Bane was sent flying backward by the momentum of the creature's dive. Not only that, but its creation and expansion was not an instantaneous process anyway. The name Choke seems to imply usage on a living organism, not machinery. Now, I understand that you never meant to imply Bane would elect this means of victory from the start, but even putting it into practice against Maul is easier said than done when Bane will be taxed by Maul's customarily merciless lightsaber advance. on November 17th 2019, 3:01 pm. I'm aware that is not all he has accomplished, but I found it interesting you were putting up mainly telekinetics/Force techniques. For these reasons, I can say that Bane takes a majority against Maul. Re: Darth Plagueis vs Darth Malgus on August 23rd 2020, 9:01 pm Because the difference from 67BBY to peak Plagueis is nowhere near as the vast stomp gaps between the … It definitely would not be combat usable, though we already agree on that. :D. Faster? In the center was a gore-covered mountain of pulverized flesh: the individual bodies of mounts and riders compacted into a single pulpy, quivering mass. But he also learned that, in addition to boosting a host's physical abilities, it was possible to tap into the parasites' ability to feed on the dark side to greatly increase one's own command of the Force. Beyond the door was a narrow staircase, similarly barricaded at the top. The incoming bolts were absorbed harmlessly into the ionic storm, the blasters themselves melted in the hands of their owners. "You have polluted the minds of your followers; you and Kaan have led them down the path of ruin.". His senses were keener, his reflexes quicker. Not to mention, Zannah sharpened her powers with the dark side energies permeating Ambria anyway. As such he is far more prepared for Maul's style of combat. You could probably compare his rain deflection feat to Maul's thousand-blows in rapid succession, but Bane hasn't really done anything like get stranded for a month with only assassin droids for company only for the sake of training. in terms of raw force power, definitely Bane, but in terms of light saber combat skills he would be Maul, I'd put my republic credits on Bane winning by brute force, ripping Mauls saber away once he realizez Maul is significantly better fighting with light sabers. Also, the quote was less about the effect of the Death Field but more about the fact that when it was mentioning the "exhausting Bane" thing, I believe it meant exhausting Bane excluding the aid of the temple (which would mean he is capable of doing it without aid but would exhaust himself), but that is probably just my horrendous tendency to wander off with ideas and take them completely out of context. :P. Battle forum rules are not retroactive. Well, it seemed to me (and this could just be my own arbitrary interpretation) that Bane had to both settle energies to be exploded outward and encage himself in a cocoon to pull off that showing. Maybe Bane could propel a death field to those lengths under his own power but not for very long without external aid. Dead is dead.". Or will Malgus' force abilities and lightsaber cut the Red Lantern down to size? But mainly the Sith gained power behind the scenes, influencing galactic affairs, gaining political sway, becoming more powerful in the areas of cunning and guile. I'm not saying banite scaling is completely irrelevant, but due to many reasons, some of which I have highlighted above, it cannot be used as proof of consistent growths in power from one generation to the next. I'm still not entirely clear on why that, of all things, is the power being banked on to strengthen an argument for Bane repelling Maul enough to use another power. In the blink of an eye he knocked the saber from Sirak’s hand, sliced down to shatter his forearm, then spun through and brought his saber crashing into his opponent’s lower leg. Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm stubborn. @silver2467: Great this discussion is taken off just as you thought :D I will reply to you in a little while, mainly because I'm on my Android and I suck at typing with it. He had no more use for the rancor; he had found what he was searching for. "Surely you know I could kill you just as easily with my lightsaber as I could with the Force. Bane mastered all seven lightsaber forms, and would then focus mainly upon Djem So because of his physical stature and strength. The front ranks of onrushing cultists shrieked in agony as they entered the field, their life essence violently sucked out of their bodies, aging them a thousand years in only a few seconds. He pulls a steel door off its hinges and then blasts out telekinetic waves that melt blasters, hurl back half a dozen soldiers, crush the soldiers bones/organs, and leave walls cracked. Problem with this line of reasoning is that it descends into conjecture neither of us can sufficiently prove and could just become a matter of both of us being too stubborn to concede a simple point. He shook his head to clear it. Honestly, this comparison, in my opinion, is both weak and titanically overblown. So far, I still don't really see why everyone is so predisposed to favoring Bane, but nonetheless, I appreciate the more thoughtful answers. This time he went deep, plunging into the well of power that dwelled within his core. The fact that Zannah has no recorded instances of using Force Drain, let alone a protection against it, leaves no logical precedent to suggest she was immune to it. Aren't Moderators supposed to know that stuff? To be honest, any advantages Maul has would be attributed to either Bane's lack of effective showings without external aid or just because Maul actually trained exclusively for such physical qualities, while Bane doesn't spend so much time for those things. I think I began arguing for this when I tried to fine a potential application for Drain/TK powers that would be able to defeat Maul, or at last allow Bane to gain the upper hand. They stood a meter apart, each on one side of a small doorway carved in the back wall. Regardless, even granting that Bane does possess all of the powers he listed in his entry in Book of Sith (which itself is speculative, but I'll leave that alone), the fact that none of these powers ever surfaced during any of his fights is telling. @silver2467: Hehehe, nice to see you back Silver :P I will have to think this one over, although as of right now I'm still leaning towards Bane. 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